User talk:Ferien

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Talkback

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Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-16

The winner this Translation of the week is ru:Павильон Росси (en:Rossi Pavilion) (fr:Pavillon Rossi) Please be bold and help translate this article! The Rossi Pavilion (Russian: Павильон Росси) is a pavilion on the bank of the Moyka River in the Mikhailovsky Garden in Saint Petersburg. It was designed by architect Carlo Rossi in the early 1820s and built in 1825 during his redevelopment of the garden. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-16

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Problems

• Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using Flagged Revisions, the "Reverted" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed. [1][2]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 April. It will be on all wikis from 18 April (calendar). [3][4]
• Default category sort keys will now affect categories added by templates placed in footnotes. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked). [5]
• A new variable page_last_edit_age will be added to abuse filters. It tells how many seconds ago the last edit to a page was made. [6]

Future changes

• Volunteer developers are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle temporary accounts. Learn more.
• Four database fields will be removed from database replicas (including Quarry). This affects only the abuse_filter and abuse_filter_history tables. Some queries might need to be updated. [7]

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Talkback

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MathXplore (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I am sending this talkback based on your recent statement about nomination (Special:Diff/9292543), and Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/MathXplore (2nd nomination) has already started. Thank you for your attention. MathXplore (talk) 07:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

The dwarf planets

Those little planets that an IP created is back and recreated them including removing the redirect you made on 1 Ceres. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

RVDL

Can you RVDL this[8] too? Looks offensive. DIVINE 18:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done --Ferien (talk) 18:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-17

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Devorà Ascarelli (it:Debora Ascarelli) (es:Devorà Ascarelli) Please be bold and help translate this article! Devorà Ascarelli was a 16th-century Italian poet living in Rome, Italy. Ascarelli may have been the first Jewish woman to have a book of her own work published. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 01:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Starting this week, newcomers editing Wikipedia will be encouraged to try structured tasks. Structured tasks have been shown to improve newcomer activation and retention. [9]
• You can nominate your favorite tools for the fifth edition of the Coolest Tool Award. Nominations will be open until May 10.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 April. It will be on all wikis from 25 April (calendar). [10][11]

Future changes

• This is the last warning that by the end of May 2024 the Vector 2022 skin will no longer share site and user scripts/styles with old Vector. For user-scripts that you want to keep using on Vector 2022, copy the contents of Special:MyPage/vector.js to Special:MyPage/vector-2022.js. There are more technical details available. Interface administrators who foresee this leading to lots of technical support questions may wish to send a mass message to your community, as was done on French Wikipedia. [12]

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User:Rajanyas

@Ferien sir, This @Rajanyas user has been blocked from English Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rajanyas. So please block this account from here also. Hcsrctu (talk) 06:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Hcsrctu, a user simply being blocked on the English Wikipedia is not grounds for blocking on this Wikipedia. We have the "one-strike" rule on this wiki that means less warning is required for users causing issues, however none of their edits have been reverted or appear to be issues as of right now. None of the other sockpuppets on the English Wikipedia have been blocked here either. So this editor will not be blocked, unless they start causing issues. --Ferien (talk) 20:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

hello, @Ferien. You look at his edits, Rajput, Chandel, Rajputization he added copied material from English Wiki which cannot be accepted here. And he has removed reliable/sourced/information. And he only does vandalism in articles, that's why he is blocked from English Wiki. Hcsrctu (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Weird templates

Articles like Elliot Rodger, Peter Rodger, and Soumaya Akaaboune all have this weird template I don't know how to remove. Shoot for the Stars (talk) 16:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

There a lot of articles like that. Look what I found: Category:Pages from Ohio I put it up for QD 84Swagahh (talk) 16:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Shoot for the Stars and 84Swagahh: The changes all appear to have resulted from vandalism to Template:Aligned table, which is itself used on many templates, such as {{birth date and age}}. I have fully protected the template as a high-risk template, to prevent this from occuring again in the future. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 20:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Inception

Hi, would you consider Inception to be complex? Kk.urban (talk) 21:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Kk.urban, yes, I would --Ferien (talk) 21:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 21:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Ferien. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2024/Kourage Beatz Nsi.
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MathXplore (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

MathXplore, thank you for letting me know. Please could you use {{ping}} for matters like these in future? Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 20:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Page should not be deleted

Hello Ferien I solved all the problems that were in the page, my request is please don't delete the page, thank you 27.255.50.82 (talk) 06:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add any comments you have to the request for deletion. Comments made here likely won't be seen by the admin who closes the discussion, who has to determine whether the article should be deleted or not. --Ferien (talk) 06:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Help

Hi @Ferien hope you are well can you take a look to this article and review the article and edit it and thank you Alimahmuttr (talk) 06:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alimahmuttr Yesterday, while I was on my mobile phone, I went through it. I couldn't translate the references, but I will check on it later today. DIVINE 06:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@DIVINE don't worry i can help you with the Translations ^^ Alimahmuttr (talk) 06:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@DIVINE you can check this in English

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2149756/saudi-arabia

https://www.spa.gov.sa/en/N2038449

https://www.mewa.gov.sa/en/HowWeCanHelp/MinistryOfficials/Pages/main.aspx

https://www.meed.com/saudi-arabia-set-to-launch-renewable-energy-projects/

https://www.ksa.com/dr-fahad-abu-mouti-highlights-world-water-day-s-importance

https://wr.gov.sa/en/MediaCenter/Pages/%D8%B4%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%B2%D9%88-.aspx Alimahmuttr (talk) 06:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Fix this issue

Hello ferrain please don't delete Nabeil Schaik Wikipedia page i fixed this issue please i request 2402:E000:649:565B:0:0:0:1 (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ferien help please

Dear ferien please remove deletion on my Wikipedia page nabeil schaik i requested you please ferien i need your help. Wikiexpertma (talk) 09:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Why

Why are you allowing advertisements here? And all of your RFD states they appear to fail WP:GNG but you never explain why? DIVINE 14:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

DIVINE, I would try to answer your first question, but I don't know where I am allowing advertisements so I don't know what I can say to your question. If you could provide examples of advertisements I have allegedly allowed to exist here, I could answer your question and perhaps address your concerns better.

About RfDs, most of my recent nominations are from Category:Articles with topics that may not be notable which is heavily backlogged. Saying that a topic appears to fail WP:GNG or fails WP:GNG is a reason for deletion linking to guidelines. Now, I could go on about the sources in the article for each and every one, and explain my search results etc, but at the end of the day, the impact is the same, and when there are many non-notable articles that have built up in that category, I'd rather write a more concise reason. --Ferien (talk) 16:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

As an extension to this, I think your definition of advertisement is perhaps a bit more generous to deleting articles than G11 is. You said Sacaiah Shaw looks like an advertisement, but it just explains his life and career. I have also declined a few of your A4 nominations, where the article claims the person won awards, and these are claims of significance. --Ferien (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien Let me clarify that I am not making any allegations against you. I am simply curious because while Joel Smart didn't have any references to claim his notability, it went to AFD. I personally believe that we should search for sources on Google or elsewhere. I think we should not entertain such self-promotional articles (I mean, who wants to promote themselves?) with baseless claims on our project. Yes, I know different admins have their own opinions. I can see you're just wise. And again, it wasn't any allegation. Thanks. DIVINE 05:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

DIVINE, for what it's worth, we have had suggestions before for a QD criteria that needs a 5 minute notability check to determine whether we quick delete an article or not, but the community didn't support it. I'll have to find the link later. A4 doesn't say the claims have to be backed up, they just have to be there. People could abuse that fact and probably do. There was also a proposal for noindexing the articles that go to RfD so they got less attention during the week they were up, but I don't think it was done as it isn't technically possible. --Ferien (talk) 10:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, what I saw here on Simple English Wikipedia is that when someone creates an article, it starts indexing on Google from the very first moment without getting patrolled, unlike on English Wikipedia, where if someone marks it as reviewed, then only it starts indexing on Google. I think someone, whether it's you or anyone else, should contact the WMF technical team regarding that. DIVINE 10:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) sorry to barge in on this conversation, but it got me intrigued. On enwiki, there is a process w:NPP where articles are not indexed until they are either patrolled, or are around for 90 days. Obviously this is resource intensive, but what about a 5/10 day non-index window? Would the community get behind that? It would prevent the majority of QD articles from being indexed, and would allow obvious attack pages/poor articles from making the Google Search algorithm. I don't think a week would really cost us that much in terms of indexing. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@DIVINE and Lee Vilenski: The previous discussion I've been referring to about this was Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 133#Use of QD A4, which addresses much of what DIVINE has said already regarding why bureaucrats at the time haven't gone out to try and change NOINDEX for us, but Lee, what you mention about NPP on enwiki is actually a really good idea - I'm not active in NPP on en so I didn't know pages weren't indexed before being patrolled. We just don't have the number of people to maintain an AfC/NPP-style thing where all articles from anons or non-patrollers have to be approved before being indexed, but an approach of not indexing pages for 5-10 days sounds reasonable. Do you know about the process en had to go through to change NOINDEX so it could be applied to articles less than 90 days old? --Ferien (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know the exact process, but I could ask. I used to do quite a bit of patrolling, so most articles on enwiki didn't take long to be indexed, but having a deadline meant that ones that slipped the net would be indexed eventually.

I'll ask someone how it works, because if we could delay indexing, it would prevent some article creations (vandalism/haux/attack) from hitting search engines and wouldn't mean we'd have to actively patrol pages. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the double edit on your talk, it looks like w:Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. Looks like it can be done by Controlling an entire namespace, via MediaWiki software settings. From a glance, you can open a phab ticket to have the namespace indexing changed. I don't see much of an issue of the mainspace indexing to be changed to 10 days. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@User:Lee Vilenski, I agree. 10 days sounds good. We should apply that here @Ferien. DIVINE 14:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: No worries about the double talk page edit. @DIVINE: I'm going to move this discussion to simple talk to try and gather more opinions on this before we make a fairly large configuration change. --Ferien (talk) 16:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Self-minnow

Plip!

Letting random edit summaries escape into mainspace. --Ferien (talk) 20:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ferien Help please

Hello ferien, i hope you're fine, i humble request to you my Wikipedia article name (Nabeil Schaik) i solve this all problems in article so i requested you please don't delete my article. Wikiexpertma (talk) 08:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikiexpertma, as ive already said above, all comments should be added to the RfD. I am not going to close the RfD or withdraw my nomination because notability is not a problem with the article that can be solved. --Ferien (talk) 10:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-18

The winner this Translation of the week is en:1989 Serbian general election (sr:Председнички избори у Србији 1989.) (vi:Tổng tuyển cử Serbia 1989) Please be bold and help translate this article! General elections were held in Serbia, a constituent federal unit of SFR Yugoslavia, on 12 November 1989 to elect the president of the presidency of the Socialist Republic of Serbia and delegates of the Assembly of SR Serbia. Voting for delegates also took place on 10 and 30 November 1989. In addition to the general elections, local elections were held simultaneously. These were the first direct elections conducted after the adoption of the 1974 Yugoslav Constitution and the delegate electoral system, and the last elections conducted under a one-party system. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-18

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• Seven new wikis have been created:
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  • a Wikipedia in Igala (w:igl:) [16]
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Problems

• Kartographer maps can use an alternative visual style without labels, by using mapstyle="osm". This wasn't working in previews, creating the wrong impression that it wasn't supported. This has now been fixed. [22]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 May. It will be on all wikis from 2 May (calendar). [23][24]

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Request

@Ferien, please I want to know why https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_Woman_in_This_Village_is_a_Liar was deleted. You didn't leave a note. Please don't be angry.

Usimite (talk) 13:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Usimite. Sorry I didn't explain the reason more fully. The page was deleted because there is no claim to notability, so the topic likely doesn't pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 13:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

It was deleted under QD A4. DIVINE 13:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The subject passed WP: GNG , except they have changed it Usimite (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Usimite, I should note that passing WP:GNG and having a claim to notability/significance are different things, and in fact, the bar for A4 (A7,9,11 on enwiki) is intentionally much lower than the bar for notability. In that article, there was no claim that showed the subject was significant, let alone notable. If you can rewrite the article to prove otherwise, then it'd be kept. --Ferien (talk) 15:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Requesting flood flag

Hi, could I please have flood flag so I can add "establishments" categories to counties in U.S. states (at least Colorado and Texas)? It will take less than one hour. Kk.urban (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Go for it. Let me know if you finish before the expiry and I'll remove it then. --Ferien (talk) 17:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 17:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien: This is slower than I thought it would be. If you're still around, I could use flood flag for another hour. If not, no worries! Kk.urban (talk) 18:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: Sorry, I was away for a few minutes. Do you still need it? --Ferien (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien: Yes, please. Kk.urban (talk) 18:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien: Thanks, I'm done now. Kk.urban (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Removed, thanks! --Ferien (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-19

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Heinrich Bünting Please be bold and help translate this article! Heinrich Bünting (1545 – 1606) was a Protestant pastor and theologian. He is best known for his book of woodcut maps titled Itinerarium Sacrae Scripturae (Travel book through Holy Scripture) first published in 1581. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-19

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• Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the SiteAdminHelper. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found at the extension's page. [27]
• Wikimedia Enterprise has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [28]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar). [29][30]
• When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs". [31]

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• Starting May 21, English Wikipedia and German Wikipedia will get the possibility to activate "Add a link". This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to all Wikipedias. These communities can activate and configure the feature locally. [32]

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Removal of QD tags

Hi, Just wondering if you can look at Alex Lukason (actor). I've added QD tags a few times, only for them to be removed. Thanks! Yottie ^=talk= 16:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

That's resolved, thanks! --Ferien (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey

Can you add "Joseph Kony.png" to the wikipedia article about Joseph kony. Not the simple English Wikipedia article about Joseph kony, but on the main English Wikipedia article about him? MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

MilkAndStrawberryPutin, I'm sorry, but I am not going to do that for you. Please do not use this wiki as a tool to get proxy edits for enwiki. --Ferien (talk) 19:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

What's proxy edits and what's the problem with them? MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 20:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

MilkAndStrawberryPutin, that is explained on w:WP:PROXYING, over on enwiki. To quote from that page, Editors in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned or blocked editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits. If an editor is blocked and another editor just makes the edits for them as though nothing happened, there isn't really a point in that first editor being blocked if the second editor is just going to be doing the same thing. --Ferien (talk) 20:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I was blocked because I got annoyed with another editor and I started acting like a jerk, I tried to make appeals but I don't think anyone's reading my newest one where I explained i changed. Also, in your quote, you said "unless they are able to show productive/independent reasons for edits." There's multiple definitions of the words independent and productive on Google, which definition are you talking about when you use those words? And how do I show that the edits are productive or independent once I find out which definition your talking about, who do I talk to? MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 21:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

MilkAndStrawberryPutin, the changes need to be productive (I would interpret that as constructive/helpful) and the editors making the edits on behalf of the blocked editor need to have independent reasons for making such edits (ie their own reasons, not just the blocked editor's). --Ferien (talk) 11:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I already talked to another editor and he did the edit for me but logged out of his account so he doesn't get blocked for making edits for a blocked editor. I think his edit was helpful because it shows the reader what Joseph Kony looks like and it makes the article look good. And the guy that made the edit had an independent reason for making the edit, he felt like it would make the page nicer and he agreed with me. So yeah, hopefully that edit doesn't get undone because it makes the article look good or something MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Larry

Hi Ferien, Hope you're well, I'm confused by your edit summary here - How is reverting a globally-banned user edit warring ?, Should we stop reverting and allow the vandalism to stand until an admin comes on to block the IP whom in 5 minutes will be back adding his rants again?.... I'm baffled...., Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 17:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Davey2010, It doesn't meet the exact definition for edit warring, as it is vandalism and so should definitely be reverted, but entertaining him by reverting constantly actually makes the situation worse, by flooding the history and recent changes with his attacks that are very often eligible for RevDel and occasionally oversight. If it is left until he is blocked at least (per w:WP:BRI), there's nothing for him to do. But when he's reverted, it's a new roll of the dice for whether he'll decide to just revert back or produce an edit summary attacking editors, imo. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ferien, So much I wanna say but per BEANS I'll keep hush, Your idea's a good one and one I will follow, Thank you for explaining that - it actually makes sense now you've explained it :), Many thanks, Warm regards, –Davey2010^Talk 17:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

On a related topic, I would like to hear if you have any recommendations in light of this conversation on Meta-Wiki: meta:User talk:EPIC#SRG abuse filter. If not, that's fine. Kk.urban (talk) 17:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to email me if necessary. Kk.urban (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kk.urban, this is probably somewhere where my personal views differ slightly from the steward team, in that it can be useful to block the IPs he uses in almost all cases, as long as it was used within the last few hours. Unless he's found some magical teleportation machine to travel between continents (surprised that's not one of his claims yet), the IPs he uses are almost definitely P2P proxies and there have been instances in the past where he's used the same IP a few days later. So generally, I prefer to block these IPs for about a week at a time, as they can either be used again a few days after or just go back to not being proxies. From a steward POV though, it is often quite difficult to block every IP GRP has been using (usually only on a single wiki), and when SRG is backlogged, reports can very easily become stale. They encourage IRC reports for that reason, to ping active stewards, although I disagree with that because all SRG reports are logged on IRC anyway, and using IRC shouldn't be a requirement. If a steward is active at the time, like EPIC was in this situation, then reports aren't needed as they are watching our wiki and helping out for us. I hope this answers your question. --Ferien (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

PP Request

Hi @Ferien, Can you protect all of my userpages? Thankyou (: DIVINE (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

DIVINE  Done :) --Ferien (talk) 18:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-20

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Ruyan (district) (fa:رویان (طبرستان)) Please be bold and help translate this article! Ruyan (Persian: رویان), later known as Rustamdar (رستمدار), was the name of a mountainous district that encompassed the western part of Tabaristan/Mazandaran, a region on the Caspian coast of northern Iran. In Iranian mythology, Ruyan appears as one of the places that the legendary archer Arash shot his arrow from, reaching the edge of Khorasan to mark the border between Iran and Turan. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word __EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__ to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [33]
• If you use the user-preference "Show preview without reloading the page", then the template-page feature "Preview page with this template" will now also work without reloading the page. [34]
• Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the alt= attribute. This is identical in usage to the alt= attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [35]
• The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [36]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar). [37][38]
• The Special:Search results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [39]

Future changes

• In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [40]
• Two columns of the pagelinks database table (pl_namespace and pl_title) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the new linktarget table instead (lt_namespace and lt_title). In your existing SQL queries:
  1. Replace JOIN pagelinks with JOIN linktarget and pl_ with lt_ in the ON statement
  2. Below that add JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id
  • See phab:T222224 for technical reasoning. [41][42]

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